What’s wrong with taking (1 – β)/α, as a likelihood ratio comparing H0 and H1?



Here’s a quick note on something that I often find in discussions on tests, even though it treats “power”, which is a capacity-of-test notion, as if it were a fit-with-data notion…..

1. Take a one-sided Normal test T+: with n iid samples:

H0: µ ≤  0 against H1: µ >  0

σ = 10,  n = 100,  σ/√n =σx= 1,  α = .025.

So the test would reject H0 iff Z > c.025 =1.96. (1.96. is the “cut-off”.)


  1. Simple rules for alternatives against which T+ has high power:
  • If we add σx (here 1) to the cut-off (here, 1.96) we are at an alternative value for µ that test T+ has .84 power to detect.
  • If we add 3σto the cut-off we are at an alternative value for µ that test T+ has ~ .999 power to detect. This value, which we can write as µ.999 = 4.96

Let the observed outcome just reach the cut-off to reject the null,z= 1.96.

If we were to form a “likelihood ratio” of μ = 4.96 compared to μ0 = 0 using

[Power(T+, 4.96)]/α,

it would be 40.  (.999/.025).

It is absurd to say the alternative 4.96 is supported 40 times as much as the null, understanding support as likelihood or comparative likelihood. (The data 1.96 are even closer to 0 than to 4.96). The same point can be made with less extreme cases.) What is commonly done next is to assign priors of .5 to the two hypotheses, yielding

Pr(H0 |z0) = 1/ (1 + 40) = .024, so Pr(H1 |z0) = .976.

Such an inference is highly unwarranted and would almost always be wrong. Continue reading

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On the Brittleness of Bayesian Inference–An Update: Owhadi and Scovel (guest post)




Houman Owhadi

Professor of Applied and Computational Mathematics and Control and Dynamical Systems,
Computing + Mathematical Sciences
California Institute of Technology, USA




Clint Scovel
Senior Scientist,
Computing + Mathematical Sciences
California Institute of Technology, USA


 “On the Brittleness of Bayesian Inference: An Update”

Dear Readers,

This is an update on the results discussed in (“On the Brittleness of Bayesian Inference”) and a high level presentation of the more  recent paper “Qualitative Robustness in Bayesian Inference” available at

In we looked at the robustness of Bayesian Inference in the classical framework of Bayesian Sensitivity Analysis. In that (classical) framework, the data is fixed, and one computes optimal bounds on (i.e. the sensitivity of) posterior values with respect to variations of the prior in a given class of priors. Now it is already well established that when the class of priors is finite-dimensional then one obtains robustness.  What we observe is that, under general conditions, when the class of priors is finite codimensional, then the optimal bounds on posterior are as large as possible, no matter the number of data points.

Our motivation for specifying a finite co-dimensional  class of priors is to look at what classical Bayesian sensitivity  analysis would conclude under finite  information and the best way to understand this notion of “brittleness under finite information”  is through the simple example already given in and recalled in Example 1. The mechanism causing this “brittleness” has its origin in the fact that, in classical Bayesian Sensitivity Analysis, optimal bounds on posterior values are computed after the observation of the specific value of the data, and that the probability of observing the data under some feasible prior may be arbitrarily small (see Example 2 for an illustration of this phenomenon). This data dependence of worst priors is inherent to this classical framework and the resulting brittleness under finite-information can be seen as an extreme occurrence of the dilation phenomenon (the fact that optimal bounds on prior values may become less precise after conditioning) observed in classical robust Bayesian inference [6]. Continue reading

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“When Bayesian Inference Shatters” Owhadi, Scovel, and Sullivan (reblog)

images-9I’m about to post an update of this, most viewed, blogpost, so I reblog it here as a refresher. If interested, you might check the original discussion.


I am grateful to Drs. Owhadi, Scovel and Sullivan for replying to my request for “a plain Jane” explication of their interesting paper, “When Bayesian Inference Shatters”, and especially for permission to post it. 


owhadiHouman Owhadi
Professor of Applied and Computational Mathematics and Control and Dynamical Systems, Computing + Mathematical Sciences,
California Institute of Technology, USA
 Clint Scovel
ClintpicSenior Scientist,
Computing + Mathematical Sciences,
California Institute of Technology, USA
TimSullivanTim Sullivan
Warwick Zeeman Lecturer,
Assistant Professor,
Mathematics Institute,
University of Warwick, UK

“When Bayesian Inference Shatters: A plain Jane explanation”

This is an attempt at a “plain Jane” presentation of the results discussed in the recent arxiv paper “When Bayesian Inference Shatters” located at with the following abstract:

“With the advent of high-performance computing, Bayesian methods are increasingly popular tools for the quantification of uncertainty throughout science and industry. Since these methods impact the making of sometimes critical decisions in increasingly complicated contexts, the sensitivity of their posterior conclusions with respect to the underlying models and prior beliefs is becoming a pressing question. We report new results suggesting that, although Bayesian methods are robust when the number of possible outcomes is finite or when only a finite number of marginals of the data-generating distribution are unknown, they are generically brittle when applied to continuous systems with finite information on the data-generating distribution. This brittleness persists beyond the discretization of continuous systems and suggests that Bayesian inference is generically ill-posed in the sense of Hadamard when applied to such systems: if closeness is defined in terms of the total variation metric or the matching of a finite system of moments, then (1) two practitioners who use arbitrarily close models and observe the same (possibly arbitrarily large amount of) data may reach diametrically opposite conclusions; and (2) any given prior and model can be slightly perturbed to achieve any desired posterior conclusions.”

Now, it is already known from classical Robust Bayesian Inference that Bayesian Inference has some robustness if the random outcomes live in a finite space or if the class of priors considered is finite-dimensional (i.e. what you know is infinite and what you do not know is finite). What we have shown is that if the random outcomes live in an approximation of a continuous space (for instance, when they are decimal numbers given to finite precision) and your class of priors is finite co-dimensional (i.e. what you know is finite and what you do not know may be infinite) then, if the data is observed at a fine enough resolution, the range of posterior values is the deterministic range of the quantity of interest, irrespective of the size of the data. Continue reading

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“Probing with Severity: Beyond Bayesian Probabilism and Frequentist Performance” (Dec 3 Seminar slides)

(May 4) 7 Deborah Mayo  “Ontology & Methodology in Statistical Modeling”Below are the slides from my Rutgers seminar for the Department of Statistics and Biostatistics yesterday, since some people have been asking me for them. The abstract is here. I don’t know how explanatory a bare outline like this can be, but I’d be glad to try and answer questions[i]. I am impressed at how interested in foundational matters I found the statisticians (both faculty and students) to be. (There were even a few philosophers in attendance.) It was especially interesting to explore, prior to the seminar, possible connections between severity assessments and confidence distributions, where the latter are along the lines of Min-ge Xie (some recent papers of his may be found here.)

“Probing with Severity: Beyond Bayesian Probabilism and Frequentist Performance”

[i]They had requested a general overview of some issues in philosophical foundations of statistics. Much of this will be familiar to readers of this blog.



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3 years ago...

3 years ago…

MONTHLY MEMORY LANE: 3 years ago: November 2011. I mark in red 3 posts that seem most apt for general background on key issues in this blog.*

  • (11/1) RMM-4:“Foundational Issues in Statistical Modeling: Statistical Model Specification and Validation*” by Aris Spanos, in Rationality, Markets, and Morals (Special Topic: Statistical Science and Philosophy of Science: Where Do/Should They Meet?”)
  • (11/3) Who is Really Doing the Work?*
  • (11/5) Skeleton Key and Skeletal Points for (Esteemed) Ghost Guest
  • (11/9) Neyman’s Nursery 2: Power and Severity [Continuation of Oct. 22 Post]
  • (11/12) Neyman’s Nursery (NN) 3: SHPOWER vs POWER
  • (11/15) Logic Takes a Bit of a Hit!: (NN 4) Continuing: Shpower (“observed” power) vs Power
  • (11/18) Neyman’s Nursery (NN5): Final Post
  • (11/21) RMM-5: “Low Assumptions, High Dimensions” by Larry Wasserman, in Rationality, Markets, and Morals (Special Topic: Statistical Science and Philosophy of Science: Where Do/Should They Meet?”) See also my deconstruction of Larry Wasserman.
  • (11/23) Elbar Grease: Return to the Comedy Hour at the Bayesian Retreat
  • (11/28) The UN Charter: double-counting and data snooping
  • (11/29) If you try sometime, you find you get what you need!

*I announced this new, once-a-month feature at the blog’s 3-year anniversary. I will repost and comment on one of the 3-year old posts from time to time. [I’ve yet to repost and comment on the one from Oct. 2011, but will shortly.] For newcomers, here’s your chance to catch-up; for old timers,this is philosophy: rereading is essential!


 Oct. 2011

Sept. 2011 (Within “All She Wrote (so far))












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Lucien Le Cam: “The Bayesians Hold the Magic”

lecamToday is the birthday of Lucien Le Cam (Nov. 18, 1924-April 25,2000): Please see my updated 2013 post on him.


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Oxford Gaol: Statistical Bogeymen

Memory Lane: 3 years ago. Oxford Jail (also called Oxford Castle) is an entirely fitting place to be on (and around) Halloween! Moreover, rooting around this rather lavish set of jail cells (what used to be a single cell is now a dressing room) is every bit as conducive to philosophical reflection as is exile on Elba! (It is now a boutique hotel, though many of the rooms are still too jail-like for me.)  My goal (while in this gaol—as the English sometimes spell it) is to try and free us from the bogeymen and bogeywomen often associated with “classical” statistics. As a start, the very term “classical statistics” should, I think, be shelved, not that names should matter.

In appraising statistical accounts at the foundational level, we need to realize the extent to which accounts are viewed through the eyeholes of a mask or philosophical theory.  Moreover, the mask some wear while pursuing this task might well be at odds with their ordinary way of looking at evidence, inference, and learning. In any event, to avoid non-question-begging criticisms, the standpoint from which the appraisal is launched must itself be independently defended.   But for (most) Bayesian critics of error statistics the assumption that uncertain inference demands a posterior probability for claims inferred is thought to be so obvious as not to require support. Critics are implicitly making assumptions that are at odds with the frequentist statistical philosophy. In particular, they assume a certain philosophy about statistical inference (probabilism), often coupled with the allegation that error statistical methods can only achieve radical behavioristic goals, wherein all that matters are long-run error rates (of some sort)Unknown-2

Criticisms then follow readily: the form of one or both:

  • Error probabilities do not supply posterior probabilities in hypotheses, interpreted as if they do (and some say we just can’t help it), they lead to inconsistencies
  • Methods with good long-run error rates can give rise to counterintuitive inferences in particular cases.
  • I have proposed an alternative philosophy that replaces these tenets with different ones:
  • the role of probability in inference is to quantify how reliably or severely claims (or discrepancies from claims) have been tested
  • the severity goal directs us to the relevant error probabilities, avoiding the oft-repeated statistical fallacies due to tests that are overly sensitive, as well as those insufficiently sensitive to particular errors.
  • Control of long run error probabilities, while necessary is not sufficient for good tests or warranted inferences.

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Gelman recognizes his error-statistical (Bayesian) foundations


From Gelman’s blog:

“In one of life’s horrible ironies, I wrote a paper “Why we (usually) don’t have to worry about multiple comparisons” but now I spend lots of time worrying about multiple comparisons”

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Exhibit A: [2012] Why we (usually) don’t have to worry about multiple comparisons. Journal of Research on Educational Effectiveness 5, 189-211. (Andrew Gelman, Jennifer Hill, and Masanao Yajima)

Exhibit B: The garden of forking paths: Why multiple comparisons can be a problem, even when there is no “fishing expedition” or “p-hacking” and the research hypothesis was posited ahead of time, in press. (Andrew Gelman and Eric Loken) (Shortened version is here.)


The “forking paths” paper, in my reading,  basically argues that mere hypothetical possibilities about what you would or might have done had the data been different (in order to secure a desired interpretation) suffices to alter the characteristics of the analysis you actually did. That’s an error statistical argument–maybe even stronger than what some error statisticians would say. What’s really being condemned are overly flexible ways to move from statistical results to substantive claims. The p-values are illicit when taken to provide evidence for those claims because an actual p-value requires Prob(P < p;Ho) = p (and the actual p-value has become much greater by design). The criticism makes perfect sense if you’re scrutinizing inferences according to how well or severely tested they are. Actual error probabilities are accordingly altered or unable to be calculated. However, if one is going to scrutinize inferences according to severity then the same problematic flexibility would apply to Bayesian analyses, whether or not they have a way to pick up on it. (It’s problematic if they don’t.) I don’t see the magic by which a concern for multiple testing disappears in Bayesian analysis (e.g., in the first paper) except by assuming some prior takes care of it.

See my comment here.

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Oy Faye! What are the odds of not conflating simple conditional probability and likelihood with Bayesian success stories?


Faye Flam

Congratulations to Faye Flam for finally getting her article published at the Science Times at the New York Times, “The odds, continually updated” after months of reworking and editing, interviewing and reinterviewing. I’m grateful too, that one remark from me remained. Seriously I am. A few comments: The Monty Hall example is simple probability not statistics, and finding that fisherman who floated on his boots at best used likelihoods. I might note, too, that critiquing that ultra-silly example about ovulation and voting–a study so bad they actually had to pull it at CNN due to reader complaints[i]–scarcely required more than noticing the researchers didn’t even know the women were ovulating[ii]. Experimental design is an old area of statistics developed by frequentists; on the other hand, these ovulation researchers really believe their theory, so the posterior checks out.

The article says, Bayesian methods can “crosscheck work done with the more traditional or ‘classical’ approach.” Yes, but on traditional frequentist grounds. What many would like to know is how to cross check Bayesian methods—how do I test your beliefs? Anyway, I should stop kvetching and thank Faye and the NYT for doing the article at all[iii]. Here are some excerpts:

Statistics may not sound like the most heroic of pursuits. But if not for statisticians, a Long Island fisherman might have died in the Atlantic Ocean after falling off his boat early one morning last summer.

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Continued:”P-values overstate the evidence against the null”: legit or fallacious?



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“P-values overstate the evidence against the null”: legit or fallacious? (revised)

0. July 20, 2014: Some of the comments to this post reveal that using the word “fallacy” in my original title might have encouraged running together the current issue with the fallacy of transposing the conditional. Please see a newly added Section 7.

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Higgs Discovery two years on (1: “Is particle physics bad science?”)


July 4, 2014 was the two year anniversary of the Higgs boson discovery. As the world was celebrating the “5 sigma!” announcement, and we were reading about the statistical aspects of this major accomplishment, I was aghast to be emailed a letter, purportedly instigated by Bayesian Dennis Lindley, through Tony O’Hagan (to the ISBA). Lindley, according to this letter, wanted to know:

“Are the particle physics community completely wedded to frequentist analysis?  If so, has anyone tried to explain what bad science that is?”

Fairly sure it was a joke, I posted it on my “Rejected Posts” blog for a bit until it checked out [1]. (See O’Hagan’s “Digest and Discussion”) Continue reading

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Big Bayes Stories? (draft ii)

images-15“Wonderful examples, but let’s not close our eyes,”  is David J. Hand’s apt title for his discussion of the recent special issue (Feb 2014) of Statistical Science called Big Bayes Stories” (edited by Sharon McGrayne, Kerrie Mengersen and Christian Robert.) For your Saturday night/ weekend reading, here are excerpts from Hand, another discussant (Welsh), scattered remarks of mine, along with links to papers and background. I begin with David Hand:

 [The papers in this collection] give examples of problems which are well-suited to being tackled using such methods, but one must not lose sight of the merits of having multiple different strategies and tools in one’s inferential armory.(Hand [1])_

…. But I have to ask, is the emphasis on ‘Bayesian’ necessary? That is, do we need further demonstrations aimed at promoting the merits of Bayesian methods? … The examples in this special issue were selected, firstly by the authors, who decided what to write about, and then, secondly, by the editors, in deciding the extent to which the articles conformed to their desiderata of being Bayesian success stories: that they ‘present actual data processing stories where a non-Bayesian solution would have failed or produced sub-optimal results.’ In a way I think this is unfortunate. I am certainly convinced of the power of Bayesian inference for tackling many problems, but the generality and power of the method is not really demonstrated by a collection specifically selected on the grounds that this approach works and others fail. To take just one example, choosing problems which would be difficult to attack using the Neyman-Pearson hypothesis testing strategy would not be a convincing demonstration of a weakness of that approach if those problems lay outside the class that that approach was designed to attack.

Hand goes on to make a philosophical assumption that might well be questioned by Bayesians: Continue reading

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Deconstructing Andrew Gelman: “A Bayesian wants everybody else to be a non-Bayesian.”

At the start of our seminar, I said that “on weekends this spring (in connection with Phil 6334, but not limited to seminar participants) I will post some of my ‘deconstructions of articles”. I began with Andrew Gelman‘s note  “Ethics and the statistical use of prior information”[i], but never posted my deconstruction of it. So since it’s Saturday night, and the seminar is just ending, here it is, along with related links to Stat and ESP research (including me, Jack Good, Persi Diaconis and Pat Suppes). Please share comments especially in relation to current day ESP research. Continue reading

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You can only become coherent by ‘converting’ non-Bayesianly

Mayo looks at Bayesian foundations

“What ever happened to Bayesian foundations?” was one of the final topics of our seminar (Mayo/SpanosPhil6334). In the past 15 years or so, not only have (some? most?) Bayesians come to accept violations of the Likelihood Principle, they have also tended to disown Dutch Book arguments, and the very idea of inductive inference as updating beliefs by Bayesian conditionalization has evanescencd. In one of Thursday’s readings, by Baccus, Kyburg, and Thalos (1990)[1], it is argued that under certain conditions, it is never a rational course of action to change belief by Bayesian conditionalization. Here’s a short snippet for your Saturday night reading (the full paper is Continue reading

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Phil 6334: Foundations of statistics and its consequences: Day #12

picture-216-1We interspersed key issues from the reading for this session (from Howson and Urbach) with portions of my presentation at the Boston Colloquium (Feb, 2014): Revisiting the Foundations of Statistics in the Era of Big Data: Scaling Up to Meet the Challenge. (Slides below)*.

Someone sent us a recording  (mp3)of the panel discussion from that Colloquium (there’s a lot on “big data” and its politics) including: Mayo, Xiao-Li Meng (Harvard), Kent Staley (St. Louis), and Mark van der Laan (Berkeley). 

See if this works: | mp3

*There’s a prelude here to our visitor on April 24: Professor Stanley Young from the National Institute of Statistical Sciences.


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Phil 6334: Notes on Bayesian Inference: Day #11 Slides



A. Spanos Probability/Statistics Lecture Notes 7: An Introduction to Bayesian Inference (4/10/14)

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Phil 6334: Duhem’s Problem, highly probable vs highly probed; Day #9 Slides


picture-216-1April 3, 2014: We interspersed discussion with slides; these cover the main readings of the day (check syllabus): the Duhem’s Probem and the Bayesian Way, and “Highly probable vs Highly Probed”. syllabus four. Slides are below (followers of this blog will be familiar with most of this, e.g., here). We also did further work on misspecification testing.

Monday, April 7, is an optional outing, “a seminar class trip”

"Thebes", Blacksburg, VA

“Thebes”, Blacksburg, VA

you might say, here at Thebes at which time we will analyze the statistical curves of the mountains, pie charts of pizza, and (seriously) study some experiments on the problem of replication in “the Hamlet Effect in social psychology”. If you’re around please bop in!

Mayo’s slides on Duhem’s Problem and more from April 3 (Day#9):



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Who is allowed to cheat? I.J. Good and that after dinner comedy hour….

UnknownIt was from my Virginia Tech colleague I.J. Good (in statistics), who died five years ago (April 5, 2009), at 93, that I learned most of what I call “howlers” on this blog. His favorites were based on the “paradoxes” of stopping rules. (I had posted this last year here.)

“In conversation I have emphasized to other statisticians, starting in 1950, that, in virtue of the ‘law of the iterated logarithm,’ by optional stopping an arbitrarily high sigmage, and therefore an arbitrarily small tail-area probability, can be attained even when the null hypothesis is true. In other words if a Fisherian is prepared to use optional stopping (which usually he is not) he can be sure of rejecting a true null hypothesis provided that he is prepared to go on sampling for a long time. The way I usually express this ‘paradox’ is that a Fisherian [but not a Bayesian] can cheat by pretending he has a plane to catch like a gambler who leaves the table when he is ahead” (Good 1983, 135) [*]

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Phil 6334: Day #3: Feb 6, 2014


Day #3: Spanos lecture notes 2, and reading/resources from Feb 6 seminar 

6334 Day 3 slides: Spanos-lecture-2


Crupi & Tentori (2010). Irrelevant Conjunction: Statement and Solution of a New Paradox, Phil Sci, 77, 1–13.

Hawthorne & Fitelson (2004). Re-Solving Irrelevant Conjunction with Probabilistic Independence, Phil Sci 71: 505–514.

Skryms (1975) Choice and Chance 2nd ed. Chapter V and Carnap (pp. 206-211), Dickerson Pub. Co.

Mayo posts on the tacking paradox: Oct. 25, 2013: “Bayesian Confirmation Philosophy and the Tacking Paradox (iv)*” &  Oct 25.

An update on this issue will appear shortly in a separate blogpost.


Selection (pp. 35-59) from: Popper (1962). Conjectures and RefutationsThe Growth of Scientific Knowledge. Basic Books. 

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